"To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source,
a tree without roots".
WELCOME TO MY GROVES FAMILY - my maternal side
My direct line
1. William Groves 1698
2. William Groves 1728 - 6th November 1798
3. Samuel Groves c1752 - 8th October 1829
4. William Groves c1777 - 22nd November 1838
5. Joseph Groves c1825 - 22nd September 1866
6. William Groves c1850 - 1927
7. Mary Jane Groves 11th January 1882 - 12th June 1975 my Grandmother
As I researched the
I grew up with stories of belonging to Landed Gentry of the family living in a large Hall although nobody seems to know where. That the children had Nannies and there were many servants. However, I do know that they were Farmers and many farms had servants be it that they would often be family members. The land always seemed to be left to the oldest boys and the later you were born the less likely, that you would receive anything. However, it appears from the Will that Samuel Grove made that he took care of his daughters which wasn't always the case in other families.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks in my research was to do with Joseph Groves born 1825 my great grandfather x 3 because his birth was at Chirbury. My family insisted that the Groves's were from Church Stoke in Montgomeryshire. The further back in time I was able to get the more I found links with Churchstoke and Chirbury. I have now discovered that the Groves family were indeed 'Landed Gentry' and were a very substantial family in the areas of Chirbury, Church Stoke, Priest Weston, Shelve and Wortherton. I will add the maps to this page to that you can see how close all these places were in South Shropshire and near to the Welsh Border of Montgomeryshire.
I must mention some additional help that I have received. Sitting on my desk I had reams of paper research on the Groves family because names like Samuel and William kept cropping up I had great difficulty in connecting all the information and I wasn't even sure at times whether I was on the right track. Therefore because I have two aunties in their 99th and 93rd year I decided to enlist the help of a research firm. This for me was extremely helpful, not as expensive as I thought and turned out to be good value for money and the research they did on my behalf tied together all the fragmented pieces of information I had collected. The one I used was www.tree-tracers.co.uk you can contact Heather and Bill on email@example.com for me it was certainly a productive move. So thank you to Heather and Bill.
From my searches through various archives on the Internet I have found evidence although not proved by me that the Groves Family were around as far back as 1577. Maybe one day I will get back that far.
WILLIAM GROVES c1698
I am taking quite a leap here and as yet have not proved that William Groves c1698 is of the same line, however, time lines fit and at the moment I am still trying to clarify details. Source: IGI
William Groves born c1698 Hopton Wafers, Shropshire and baptised at St Michael & All Angels, Hopton Wafers. He married Mary Hotchkiss at St Mary's Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire 15th October 1723. Whilst I have the year of birth their son William Groves (Shelve) c1728 it seems inconceivable that they didn't have at least one maybe two children before William was born. So if any one can help fill in the gaps I would love to hear from you. Source: Brian. It never ceases to amaze me how many people can be researching one family. As I have already said on this website a lot of the information I receive comes from contacts made through www.genesreunited.co.uk the above paragraph came about because of one of those contacts. So thank you to Brian who is researching his line of Robert Groves c1820. I would like also like to thank Dean who is researching the same line. I am fascinated by all the people I speak to via email, people It is unlikely I will never meet and yet we are all distantly related.
The paragraph of William Groves (Shelve) at this time I haven't been able to check out myself, I make a point of checking information received and you will find throughout this website the sources I have confirmed.
WILLIAM GROVES c1728 - 6th November 1798
My great grandfather x 6, William Groves of Shelve, yeoman born c1728 at Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, he was baptised 10th February 1728 and died 6th November 1798 and is buried at Chirbury. Source: Parish Registers Chirbury via www.Ancestry.co.uk Letters of administration were granted to his widow Mary Groves on 26th December 1798. Source: National Archives Catalogue Ref: IR 26/348. Image Ref: 362/132
I have the marriage of a William Groves and Mary Andrews 24th August 1751. This appears in the Meole Brace Parish Registers and has them listed as both from Ratlinghope. At this time other than a time line with Samuel Groves birth of 1752 I do not know if this is the right couple.
I also have a death of Mary Groves dated 12th February 1803 and buried at Chirbury. Assuming this is William's widow, more research needed.
Shelve was part of the lower division of the parish of Chirbury Hundred in the County of Shropshire. It is situated 16 miles from Shrewsbury and 7 miles north east of Bishops Castle. It was mostly inhabited by agricultural workers.
Monday 25th August 2008 the Bank Holiday weekend me and my husband decided to have a ride around South Shropshire. I wanted to try and get a feel for the areas I was writing about and so we travelled over The Long Mynd (to be continued).
Shelve extends over a large area of several miles and is mostly farmland standing over a thousand feet with lots of moorland. We visited the church and the farm opposite. We introduced ourselves to the farmers and these two lovely people invited us into their home and made us tea. They chatted to my husband and I for about an hour and although they could not tell me a lot about my family they did have family connections.
As far as I am aware the Groves family were all tenant farmers. The A2A Archives catalogues hold details of land transactions of the Groves family these are the copyright of Shropshire Archives.
The catalogues show that William Groves of Shelve conducted several transactions with The Earl of Powis and others which includes property and lands in the Townships of Great Weston known also known as Priest Weston and Little Weston all in the Parish of Chirbury. Below are listed the dates and File numbers:
22nd October 1771 Ref: 2873/2-49
24th and 25th March 1772 Ref: 2873/4-5
26th September 1772 Ref: 2873/6
26th December 1798 Ref: 2873/8-9
The above catalogue numbers also show that William Groves had land called Horsemoore and properties in Aldress Close. William Groves granted a lease of water right to Robert Bemand for 99 years.
William and Mary had at least one son Samuel details below:
SAMUEL GROVES 1752 - 8th October 1829
Samuel Groves was baptised 27th June 1752 and these details can be found in the Worthen Parish Records and Family Search index. He is my great grandfather x 5. Marriage details read: Samuel Groves of Shelve, County of Salop bachelor married Margaret Bady (also spelt Badey and Beady) spinster by Licence on 28th April 1776, witnesses William Groves and Mary Bright. Margaret Bady was baptised 15th July 1752 at Worthen and she was the daughter of Edward and Rebecca Bady.
Edward Bady married Rebecca Chidley on 6th October 1745 at Meole Brace, Shropshire both at the time of their marriage were living in the Parish of Worthen. There were at least six children born to Edward and Rebecca, details as follows:
Sarah baptised 10th May 1754 - 14th February 1780 aged 26
John baptised 19th May 1756 - 28th January 1761 aged 5
Elizabeth baptised 22nd October 1758
Edward baptised 3rd October 1760
Thomas baptised 1st June 1764
All baptisms recorded at Worthen including John and Sarah's death.
Rebecca Bady (nee Chidley) died 19th June 1809 aged 85 at Bromlow. Edward Bady died 14th October 1810 aged 89 also at Bromlow. Looking at various Parish Records in the South Shropshire area it would appear that there were Bady's around as far back as 1545. At this time I am not going to investigate this further.
In documents held at Shropshire Archives Samuel Groves of Priest Weston is described as a farmer, and the eldest son and heir of William Groves, late of Shelve, yeoman, deceased. Source: File ref: 2873/10 date 1st June 1815.
Also in the A2A archives several other children of Samuel and Margaret (Bady) are mentioned, also all their children were baptised at Chirbury, baptism dates are shown.
1. William Groves was the eldest son of Samuel and Margaret Groves (nee Bady) and is my great grandfather x 4 if you scroll down you will find his birth, marriage, children and details of his death.
2. Margaret the eldest daughter of Samuel and Margaret was baptised 18th October 1778 at Chirbury. She married George Harris 22nd April 1816. Margaret is also referred to on the A2A catalogue reference 2873/ 16-20.
George and Margaret Harris were still living on 27th August 1841. They had two surviving children at that time, John Harris c1818 and Margaret c1819 who was the wife of Edward Weaver, both were over 21. Both John and Margaret were born in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire.
July 2008 through www.genesreunited.co.uk I have come into contact with Rick. Margaret was his great grandmother x 3 as she married George Harris. Rick was able to tell me that Margaret and George had another son Daniel born 1816 at Middleton, Chirbury. Daniel died 1817.
The Harris family were also tenant farmers their Landlord being the Earl of Powis and farmed several farms two of which were in Wales. George Harris was a Church warden at St. Michael's, Chirbury and interestingly became Chief Constable of Chirbury in 1836 this was a year after his brother-in-law William Groves held the same post.
Many thanks to Rick on the insight to this part of the family it is greatly appreciated. I also have a photograph of George and Margaret's grave and in due course will add it to this page.
I am now in possession of a copy of the M.I. for St. Michaels, Chirbury and here are the inscription's for George and Margaret Harris:
"In Memory of George Harris (late of the Moat in the Parish) who died April 21st 1844 Aged 52 years. Praises on stone are trifles vainly spent A man's good name the lasting monument."
"In Memory of Margaret widow of the late George Harris who died February 19th 1848 Aged 54 years." Source M.I. St Michael's Church Chirbury, Shropshire 1727-2003 produced by S.F.H.S.3. Mary, Samuel and Margaret's third child was baptised 25th September 1780 at Chirbury. Baptisms prior to 1794 are not shown on the IGI so baptism dates would have come from the parish registers. There is quite a lot of easy to access information around on Mary's life.
Mary first married Edward Wynne Williams by licence on 28th April 1807 at Chirbury. Mary and Edward had two children daughter Mary died as an infant on 19th December 1809 and is buried at Chirbury with her father. They then had a son Thomas who was baptised 25th May 1811. Sadly Thomas died aged 24 on the 29th February 1836 and he is also buried at Chirbury. Source: Chirbury Parish records.
Edward, Mary's first husband and was buried 17th February 1812 at Chirbury the M.I. reads:
"Sacred to the memory of Edward Williams (late of Heightley) who departed this life February 15th 1812 / Aged 25 years." In the same grave is his daughter and the inscription reads: "Mary daughter of Edward and Mary Williams who died in infancy."
Mary Williams (nee Groves) continued to live at Heightley and married Samuel Groves on 30th December 1813 at Chirbury.The 1841 census shows Samuel and Mary were at Heightley with their children. Mary's aged was shown as 55 and Samuel's 50, there two sons Robert and Samuel both aged 20. There was also a child named William aged 7 and another child Samuel Pearce aged 11. Samuel was their grandson. Source: HO 107 /909/22 and Keyword Graves. This means that the census document has been transcribed as Graves and not Groves.
The 1851 census the family were also at Heightley and Samuel, Mary's second husband was shown as born at Ratlinghope he was then aged 65 and Mary then aged 69. Their son Robert then aged 30, unmarried and described as farmer's son. Heightley at that time had 330 acres and four labourers were employed, two waggoners, cowkeeper and dairy-maid. The family also employed a house-maid.
I initially was led to believe that Mary and Samuel had no children on their own and as we can see from the census of 1841 and 1851 they had sons. However from the information in the M.I., they also had at least two daughters. The M.I reads:
In memory of Samuel Groves (of High Hay) who departed this life Dec. 1 1852 , Aged 65 years. Also Mary wife of Samuel Groves who departed this life Sept. 29th 1874 Aged 73 years. The inscription then reads:
"To the memory of Harriet daughter of Samuel and Mary Groves (of High Hay) who departed this life Nov. 4th 1851, Aged 1... years. Also Ann their daughter [remainder illegible]." Source: M.I. St. Michael's Church, Chirbury 1727-2003 and produced by S.F.H.S.
So at this time we do not how old Harriet and Ann were when they died. The family were described as late of High Hay is this a transcription error or did the family move from Heightley?
Samuel is the "relation" referred to in William Groves will dated 20th July 1938.
4. The fourth son of Samuel and Margaret was named after his father. Samuel baptised 28th July 1782 at Chirbury and he married Hannah Williams on the 3rd February 1806 by Licence. The children of Hannah and Samuel are well documented and normally as this is not a direct line I would not cover the family however, there are quite a few people researching this line and this enables us to help one another. In addition Thomas was a Grocer in Churchstoke, his son also named Thomas appears in several trade directories and is found in 1841 living next door to my great grandmother x 4.
Thomas baptised 2nd December 1806
Robert baptised 20th September 1808
Edward baptised 20th November
Mary baptised 23rd December 1812
The above children were all baptised at Chirbury.
It would appear from the M.I.'s of St Michaels that Robert born 1808 died in 1814 and is buried at Chirbury, inscription reads:
"To / the memory of Robert son of Samuel and Hannah Groves who died September 16th 1814 Aged 6 years." Source: M.I St Michaels produced by S.F.H.S.
Samuel was buried on the 8th September 1849 and died aged 43, leaving a very young family. As far as I am aware Samuel is buried at Chirbury however, as far as I can tell he is not in the M. I. for St Michael's at Chirbury. The families residence at the time of Samuel's death was at Wortherton.
5. Sarah no baptism found but married Thomas Gough and is also referred to on the A2A site catalogue reference number 2783 14/15 Extract from register of marriages at Church Stoke that Sarah Groves married Thomas Gough 4th February, 1803. Source: A2A ref: 2873/25
Sarah died 1861 and Thomas died before her and I believe at the time of their deaths they lived in Montgomeryshire. In 1861 Sarah was survived by the following children;
Mary, widow of Williams Taylor, living Manchester, and Eleanor wife of John Clayton of Castle Caereinion, Montgomeryshire, Ann wife of John Chamberlain of Chelsea and Margaret wife of Richard Laurence of Upper Hem, Forden, Montgomeryshire. Source: A2A Ref: 2873/35-39 date 14th September 1861.
6. Robert as far as I am aware was Samuel and Margaret's youngest son and he was baptised 26th December 1789 and married Harriot in 1818 and is the Robert referred to as of Rockley in William's will. Robert Groves of Rockley and his wife Harriot are on both the 1841 and 1851 census details to follow: Key word Grover
Robert and Harriot are buried at St Michael's Chirbury with two of their daughters inscription reads as follows:
"In memory of Ann daughter of / Robert and Harriot GROVES / (of Rockley) who departed this life / July 31st 1828 Aged 7 years / Also Harriot their daughter / who departed this life / September 30th 1840 Aged 12 years."
"... ... ... given that the Lord hath taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. In memory of Robert GROVES / Dudston late of Rockley / who departed this life January 25th 1853 / Aged 63 years /Also of Harriot wife of Robert GROVES / who died February 23rd 1878 / Aged 84 years." Source: Monumental Inscriptions at St. Michael's Church Chirbury Shropshire 1727 - 2003 Transcribed by Pauline Hawkes and produced by Shropshire Family History Society.
As you can see most of this inscription is in good condition, unfortunately a lot of the Groves family graves at St. Michael's are illegible.
7. Mary baptised at Chirbury on 2nd March 1794.
Continuation of Samuel Groves c1752
It would appear from the Chirbury Parish records that Samuel was one of their Church Wardens and I have him listed on at least three dates, 3rd December, 1784, 24th December 1800 and 26th december 1810.
Samuel Groves made his will on the 21st November 1828 and died on the 8th October 1829. His house, farm and lands at Weston passed to his son William, his daughter Margaret who was the wife of George Harris. Interest was to be paid to Margaret of £150.00 on Lady Day and Michaelmas Day for her life and after Margaret's death £150.00 to her children. The remainder to the surviving children, to be paid 7 years after the death of his Wife Margaret. His wife Margaret (nee Bady) died on 15th February 1831. There is a discrepancy on the date of death of Margaret. Source: A2A catalogue Ref 2873/14 puts the year of Margaret's death as 1821 and A2A catalogue Ref 2873/16-20 puts the year of death as 1831.
WILLIAM GROVES c1777 - 1838
William Groves was the eldest son of Samuel and Margaret Groves (nee Bady) and is my great grandfather x 4 as you can see as this is a direct line there is a lot more detail.
William Groves married Anne Hotchkiss in the parish of Church Stoke on 21st February 1805. William was described as a bachelor and Anne as a 'Minor'. Witnesses at their wedding were Benjamin Hotchkiss, Mary Groves and Joseph Hotchkiss. William and Anne as far as I am aware had fourteen children.
The children of William and Anne were baptised in the Parishes of Church Stoke and Chirbury and details below:
Church Stoke Register
Samuel 29th August 1806 Mary 8th February 1808
Sarah 3rd February 1808 Martha 9th September 1810
Hannah 13 January 1812
New registers started in 1813 and the next three entries showed that the family lived at Pant Hopton and gives William's occupation as farmer.
William 9th March 1813
Robert 3rd March 1815 Michael 9th May 1817
Margaret 3rd Sept 1820 Edward 22nd Sept 1822
Benjamin 30th January 1824 Joseph 11th April 1825
Thomas 22nd November 1827
The Chirbury register shows that the family lived at Timberth and again William was described as a farmer. William and Anne also had a daughter called Anne possibly born in Church Stoke and probably born between 1818 and 1819. No baptism details have as yet been found. The reason we know that she is their daughter is that she appears on the 1841 census when the family were living in Wortherton, Chirbury, Shropshire. At that time Anne's age was shown as 20, as far as I can tell Ann died and was buried on 5th February 1846 at the age of 30.
Two of William's and Anne's boys died in childhood. Benjamin was just two weeks old and buried on 12th February 1824. Thomas died aged 7 years and was buried 4th April 1835. The address given for both boys at the time of their death was Timberth.
William's name appears in the Quarter Session Records under the name of Groves of Timberth. From December 1833 - March 1834 he was described as Juror/Farmer. From January 1835 - October 1835 he was described as Chief Constable of Chirbury.
On various online documents William was known as William Groves of Timberth. Timberth is a place about 1 mile south, south west of the village of Chirbury and about 1 3/4 miles due east of Montgomery Church. At this time it probably only has one main farm and a couple of cottages. The house that stands is the the biggest and grandest in the area however, nobody knows if it was at the time of William of Timberth. In the past Timberth was the smallest of 8 townships in the parish of Chirbury. Each township had its own Chief Constable responsible for minor law and order and for reporting breaches up the chain and to the manorial court. The title of Chief Constable at that time William held the post would have been before a police force and normally given to the head officer for the "hundred" who reported to the Hundred Court.
In 1871 the area of Timberth was 257 acres and part of the Chirbury section of the estates of the Earl of Powys, inherited from the famous Lords Herbert of Chirbury. From the A2A searches it shows that William Groves had several transactions with the Earl of Powys. So whilst he might of owned the farm he was most likely a tenant farmer of the Earls of Powys however from the details in his Will he owned other freehold properties and land. William would have been a good farmer and a man of standing in the agricultural community of that time.
William Groves made his Will dated 20th July 1838 in which he named his executors as Robert Groves his brother and Samuel Groves a relation. He left all his freehold property at Priest Weston to Robert and Samuel Groves in trust to sell. (I have a copy of William's Will and in due course will put the details on this page).
Just to clarify things Robert was William's brother and Samuel a "relation" was William's sister Mary's second husband.
William died on the 22nd November 1838 at 4 p.m. at Wotherton in Chirbury Parish. I have a copy of his death certificate, his age was 61, his occupation Farmer and he died of Hectic Fever. The description I have of Hectic Fever is one of irritation and debility, occurring usually at an advanced state of exhausting pulmonary consumption. This would have probably been T.B. or some form of septic poisoning. His death was registered by the 'mark' of Martha Powell who was present at the death, this was probably his daughter Martha. Source: GRO Index Qtr. Dec Vol 18 page 43
After William's death there appears to have been mixed fortunes for the family. In 1841 Anne and some of the children where living at Wotherton and it would appear that they were there until about 1850. There are no Groves in Wotherton on the 1851 census.
Burials in Chirbury show that there were several deaths in the family in the 1840's all show that they were resident at Wotherton. At the moment the Monumental Inscription for St Michaels at Chirbury have thrown up a lot of questions and I am still trying to put the families together.
Need to sort the three deaths below into families
Edward was buried on 13th September 1844 and died aged 22.
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