Groves family pages under reconstruction.
WELCOME TO THE GROVES FAMILY FROM 1845 - 1975 my maternal side
The reason for splitting the Groves family in to two seperate web pages is that the pages were becoming to long to navigate. I suspect I was also running out of space as at the time of setting up this page I still have a lot of information to add. By splitting the family in to two pages gives me the opportunity also to research the female generations and I have started with Anne Thomas in the right hand column. Anne was Joseph Groves's wife and therefore my gt grandmother x 3. Although I have stopped at 1975 I am a 9th generation Groves.
My direct line
William Groves died 1798
Samuel Groves c1752 - 8th October 1829
William Groves c1780 - 22nd November 1838
Joseph Groves baptised 11th April 1825 - 22nd September 1866
William Groves baptised 2nd September 1849 - 10th March 1927
Mary Jane Groves 11th January 1882 - 12th June 1975 my Grandmother
JOSEPH GROVES 1825 - 1866
Joseph Groves was the 13th child of William and Anne Groves (nee Hotchkiss). He was born at Chirbury and baptised at Chirbury on the 11th April 1825. On the baptism records Joseph's father William was a farmer and their address given as Timberth.
TIME LINE 1926
Photography was invented by Joseph Nicephore Niepce.
At Chatterton, near Ramsbottom, 60th Rifle Corps shot six Luddite rioters.
Power looms caused starving out-of-work-men to riot and break looms in Lancashire.
JOSEPH GROVES & ANN THOMAS
Joseph married Anne Thomas on 6th February 1845 by Licence at the
For details on Anne Thomas's family go to the right hand column.
As far as I can tell, they had eight children. William c1849 was my
The 1851 census for England shows us that Joseph aged 25 and Ann also aged 25 are living in the Civil Parish of Churchstoke and the Ecclesiastical Parish of Middleton. It is interesting because the County given is
There is a discrepancy in details for the three girls that were born to Joseph and Ann. Agnes was born in Pulverbatch, Margaret and Harriett where born in Shrewsbury but some census records show Harriett as being born in Shrewsbury and some in Oswestry.
TIME LINE 1851
The population of Manchester reached 455,000
On the 1861 census, Joseph then aged 36, describes himself as a farmer employing two men; he also employed one female domestic servant. The address on the census shown as 'Bank'. Ann aged, 35 and the following children living at home William aged 11, Alice Ann aged 9, Joseph aged 8, Robert aged 5, Samuel aged 4, Agnes aged 1 her birth given as Ratlinghope. However, this address does not tie in with the details that were given on Margaret's baptism record in 1862 as their address was give as St Michael Street, Shrewsbury and Joseph's occupation given as Provision dealer. Also when Harriett was baptised in 1864 the family were living in Wrekin Terrace, Shrewsbury and then Joseph's occupation was a Farmer. For whatever reason the family moved between December 1864 and September 1866 to Oswestry. At this time none of us know why?
Joseph died in 'the district' of Oswestry aged 42 on 22nd September 1866 at Gas Works Cottage, Oswestry. His occupation shown as 'Agent' to Canal Company. Present at his death was Charles Walker of
There is no indication as to how or why the family arrived in Oswestry although I assume it was work related.
The map below shows The Bank Farm. My thanks to Mike a member of the
1871 Census England
The 1871 English Census shows Anne Groves (Ann) as 'Head' of the family (41). The family lived at
Alice Ann did not show up on the 1871 census living with her family she would have been 19 and I could not find her living anywhere else. I did not find her again until 1883 when I found her marriage details.
TIME LINE 1871
Rugby Football Union was formed
1881 Census England
On the 1881 census five of the family where living at
1891 Census England
Anne Groves was 66 on the 1891 census and described as 'living on her own means'. This raises the following questions where did her money come from? Was she left money by her own family? Did she have money left by her husband or his family?
WILLIAM GROVES AND ELIZABETH JONES
William Groves eldest child as far as I am aware of Joseph and Ann Groves (nee Thomas). He married on 21st February 1880 Elizabeth Jones. William aged 30 and a Bachelor, I believe upset the family with his marriage. Elizabeth Jones aged 30 was a Widow with a son it was not considered appropriate for William. On their marriage certificate, William's occupation listed as Railway Engine Driver and his address given as
As far as I can find out
Joseph Edward Groves the third child of William and Elizabeth born about 1888 and aged three on the 1891 census. The family at that time lived as 8 Cripplegate. There is a discrepancy here in the address. For some reason the 1891 census is not complete therefore the information is not 100% accurate.
William aged 41 and described as a Fitters Labourer. Thomas aged 17 worked as a General Labourer, Robert aged 10, and my
March 1883 would have brought sadness to the
In 1901 William and Elizabeth Groves where living with their family in
TIME LINE 1901
The game of Ping Pong was invented
Edward V11 was King of Great Britain and Ireland 1901-1910
William lived to the age of 77 in later years his occupation was shown as Carriage Examiner. He died at 23 Lorne Street on the 10th March 1927. Source: Register No: 8/64/10401.
Elizabeth is buried with her husband she was aged 80 when she died on the 2nd February 1929 at 23 Lorne Street. Source: Register No: 8/77/10669.
Every now and then in family history you will come across some dark secret or information that totally surprises you and yet sometimes it explains were an interest in alternative thought and behaviour comes from. In December 2008 I finally got round to sending for obituaries of the Groves family and they held quite a few surprises. In the case of my gt grandfather x 4 Joseph Groves it told me were he worked in Churchstoke a fact that had eluded me for a long time. In the case of Joe Groves my gt uncle x 3 it told me how much work he did for Oswestry and what a great sportsman he was. However, the biggest surprise was with my gt grandfather William Groves was a member of The Society of the Perseverance Lodge of Druids. Never once in all the stories I had heard about the past had this been mentioned.
This is the Obituary for William Groves taken from The Oswestry Advertizer 16th March 1927 page 12 column 3.
The Late Mr. Wm Groves, Oswestry
The death occurred on Monday week at the age of 77, at his home, 23 Lorne Street, Oswestry, of Mr. William Groves, after only a brief illness. Deceased was born at Churchstoke, and came to Oswestry sixty years ago, being employed by the late Cambrian Railway Company for over forty years. He leaves a widow, two sons, and one daughter (my nan) to mourn their loss, and to them the sympathy of a wide circle of friends goes out in their bereavement. The funeral took place on Thursday at the Oswestry Cemetery, the service at the Parish Church and the graveside being conducted by the Rev. L.E. Meredith, senior curate. The mourners were: Mr. Bob Groves (son) Mrs. W. Francis (daughter), Mr. Joe Groves, Hyde (son), Mr. Joe Groves, Oswestry and Mr. Samuel Groves, Abermule (brothers), the Misses Peggy (Margaret), Agnes and Harriett Groves (sisters), Mrs. Bob Groves (daughter-in-law), Mrs. Joe Groves (sister-in-law), Mr. Joe Groves, senr., Mr. Joe Groves, junr., Mr. J.H. Jones, Mr. E. Jones, Mr. J Hanmer (nephews), Master Jack Griffiths (grandson).
The article then went on to list the bearers, members of the Perseverance Lodge of Druids and the general public.
Wreaths were sent by the family and friends with a wreath from Mrs. Morris and family from The Five Bells Hotel. The latter tell us were he used to go for a drink.
My thanks to Derek and his team of volunteers at Oswestry library for supplying me with this information.
GROVES FAMILY GRAVE
Ann Groves lived until she was 73 and died on the 11th March 1898 at 7 Duke Street. Source: Register No: 5/50/5308
The obituary for Ann Groves was printed in The Oswestry Advertizer dated 16th March 1898 and reads:
THE LATE MRS. GROVES - The death took place yesterday week at 14, Duke Street, of Mrs. Ann Groves, widow of the late Mr. J. Groves, late of the Top Shop, Churchstoke, at the age of 73. Mrs. Groves had been a resident in Oswestry for upwards of thirty years. The funeral, which was largely attended, took place on Friday, the remains being interred in the Cemetery. Note that the address given in this article is 14 Duke Street and on the census documents it is 7. Did Ann move or were the houses renumbered?
Among those present were:- The Rev. T. Redfern, W. Jones, T.E. Jones, and J Preece, &c. The first part of the service was conducted at Holy Trinity Church, and the second part at the grave by Rev. T. Redfern.
No other mention of family and friends and therefore I have to assume they were there as the funeral "was largely attended."
My thanks to Derek and his team of volunteers at Oswestry library for providing me with this information.
The lives of Joseph and Anne's (nee Thomas) children and William's brothers and sisters are as follows:
Alice Ann (nee Groves) and Edward Owen
Alice Ann as far as I am aware was the eldest daughter on Joseph and Ann Groves (nee Thomas) and was born on the 6th June 1851 at Church Stoke. She appeared on the 1851 and 1861 census living at home with her family but from the 1871 census until her marriage in 1883 I found no trace of her. Do not know what happened to her in the meantime. In December 1883, she married Edward Owen of
On the 1891 census, Robert was living with his Grandma Anne at
On the 1901 census, Alice Ann and Edward were both 49. Edward's occupation given as Local Contractor-Sanitary Inspector. Robert was 16 and his occupation given as Office Boy (part time). By this time, Margaret (40) and Harriett (38) were both living with their sister Alice Ann and brother-in-law Edward their occupations givens as Housemaid (Dom) and General Servant (Dom). I know in later years my Nan use to visit Robert in Shrewsbury a lot not only were they cousins but I believe they where brought up together and were very close. Robert was known as Bob and even I remember tales of uncle Bob, my mum says I should remember him but it is all rather vague.
JOSEPH GROVES & MARY DANIELS
Joseph (known as Joe) was the third son of Joseph and Ann Groves (nee Thomas). Normally when I do my family research I only follow a direct line however there is so much information on Joe Groves that I decided to add this line to my web page. Joe Groves was my Gt Gt Gt uncle. Born 1853 at Churchstoke Montgomeryshire the third son of Joseph and Ann although born in Churchstoke the family lived at Ratlinghope Shropshire until approximately 1864. They then moved to Oswestry not sure why and in 1866 his father died. Life must have been quite tough for them.
Until I got hold of a copy of Joe's obituary which you will find if you scroll down this page I had no idea what a sportsman he was. On Whit-Tuesday, June 6th 1876 Joe took part in the Wenlock Olympian Society 26th Annual Festival at Much Wenlock. The Wenlock Olympian Society have sent me photocopies of the days events. My thanks to Peter and Chris for all their help. Below is a photocopy of the front page of this event.
A 5.15 p.m. Joe took part in the One Mile Hurdle Race their were 12 other competitors and Joe was running in a red and white strip for the C.E.Y.M.S. (Church of England Young Mens Society). No idea how he got on in this race. Joe also took part in the One Mile Flat Race at 5.45 p.m. again no idea at this stage how he got on. At 6.00 p.m. Joe took part in the Half-Mile Flat race which he won. In the write up by the Wenlock Olympian Society it read: Half Mile Flat Race. - J.H. Groves, C.E.Y.M.S., 1st; J.J. Bateman, B.A.C., 2nd; G. Westbrook (ketley), 3rd. Seven ran, in a well contested race. However, the program shows that there were 19 competitors listed. In the program Joe is shown as J.H. Groves, I am assming the 'H' stands for Hanley because his son was also Joseph Hanley Groves. At this time I do not know what the signifigance is of the name Hanley.
As I have already said I did know that Joe had won a race which I discovered when I read a copy of his obituary in the Advertizer. However I did not realise the importance of this until I saw The One Show on the B.B.C. on 6th June 2008 when the B.B.C. covered the Wenlock Olympian Society. For further details on the Wenlock Olympian Society go to http://www.wenlock-olympian-society.org.uk
Joe also took part in the Pedestiranism event at the Royal Agricultural Hall, Islington between 19th-25th March 1878 detail of which you will find on the top right hand column of this page.
Joseph married Mary Daniels in Qtr 2 1877 at Oswestry. Source: GRO Vol 6a, Page 1299. As a family they first appeared on the 1881 census for England living at the Pistyll in the Parish of St Oswald, Oswestry Town. Joseph's occupation then a Coach Painter aged 27. Mary then aged 24 had given birth to 2 children Joseph Hanley Groves then aged 3 and Mary Groves then aged 1. Source: RG11/2658.
In the 1891 census they were still living at the Pistyll. Joseph aged 37 working on his 'Own Account' as a Coach Painter. The family had grown Mary then aged 34 had given birth to another three children by this time Joseph and Mary had five children. Source: RG12/2116.
Joseph Hanley aged 13 - Scholar
Mary aged 11 - Scholar
Annie aged 9 - Scholar born 24th 1981 Upper Brook Street
Lissie aged 6 - Scholar
Stanley aged seven months
The 1901 census shows quite a change of fortune for Joseph and Mary. They had moved to 37 Upper Brook Street, Oswestry which was still part of St Oswald's parish however this would be a step up in terms of housing. Joseph was still working on his 'Own Account' as a Coach painter. Mary his wife also working on her 'Own Account' as a Dressmaker/Tailor and daughter Mary aged 21 also a Dressmaker working at home. Joseph Hanley had left home married and had a child of his own. Annie Groves aged 19 then Teacher - School.
The 1901 census shows a child aged 10 named Hanley I think this is transcribed wrongly and should read Stanley. Mary had also given birth to another child Agnes then aged 7. Source: RG13/2545
Stanley Groves died Qtr 3 1908 aged 18. Source: GRO Vol 6a, page 379
Annie Groves married William Morris Qtr 3 1915 at Oswestry. Source Vol 6a, page 1756.
Joseph Groves' Family Grave
As you can see from the headstone Joseph, Mary and their daughter Mary who never married are buried in the same family grave.
My thanks to Graham Lee for providing me with the information on the Groves burials at Oswestry and the photographs of their graves.
Mary Groves the wife of Joseph Groves died aged 72 at 37 Upper Brook Street on March 16th 1928 her grave purchased for first interment buried with her is her husband Joseph and daughter Mary. Source: Register No: 8/71/10539.
The obituary of Mary Groves was printed in the Oswestry Advertizer dated 21st March 1928 and reads:
The Late Mrs. Mary Groves Oswestry
The death occurred on Tuesday week of Mrs. Mary Groves wife of Mr. Joseph Groves. The deepest sympathy is felt for the family in their bereavement and loss. Mrs. Groves had been an employee of Messrs. R. and R. Hughes and Co. for 58 years and was held in high esteem. The funeral took place on Friday at the Oswestry Cemetery. The service at the Parish Church and graveside was taken by the Rev. Bertram Russell. The hymn "Abide with Me" was sung. A large number of friends had assembled at the church, including the staff from Messrs. R. and R. Hughes and Co.
The mourners were: the husband; Mr. J. Groves (son); Miss M. Groves (daughter), Mr. & Mrs. W. Morris, Shrewsbury (daughter and son-in-law), Mrs. T.B. Ceely, Hull (daughter), Mr. & Mrs. Len Jones (daughter and son-in-law), Miss Daniels (sister), Mr. D. Daniels (brother), Joe, Jack, Eric, May, Doris and Annie (grandchildren), Misses Agnes, Peggy, and Harriett Groves (sisters-in-law), Mr. Arthur Lewis, Rhos (nephew), Mrs. Francis, Oswestry, (niece), Mrs. R. Groves (niece), Councillor J. H. Profit and Mr. F. Bristow.
The obituary then went on to list members of the general public including representatives of the West Ward Conservative Association. Wreaths too many to mention and included wreaths from the staff of R. & R. Hughes & Co; The Committee of the West Ward Association and her nieces and nephews of Ash Road. The latter being my Nan and her family.
Joseph Groves died on the 8th October 1932 aged 79 he had been a painter since he was 17 until he retired. He died at 37 Upper Brook Street. Source: Register No: 8/108/11342.
As I wrote earlier normally I only look at my direct family line however, there is so much information on Joseph Groves that I felt it would be a shame not to include his life.
This article was taken from a photocopy of the Oswestry Advertizer dated 12th October 1932, page 16, column 3.
Much regret was felt in Oswestry neighbourhood last week, among sportsmen and others at the news of the death, which occurred on Wednesday morning of Mr. Joseph ("Joe")
By occupation Mr. Groves was a coach-painter and sign-writer, and up to his last illness his neatness and skill in sign-writing remained unimpaired, as he possessed a clever hand at his craft. Mr. groves was an honorary life member of the Oswestry Conservative Club and in past days was a strong and active worker for the local Conservative cause, helping in many national political battles and in municipal contests. He was a noted sportsman and all round athlete-football, running, cricket, swimming, bowls, and angling being among his chief recreations. Mr. Groves was a former Chairman of Oswestry Amateur Swimming Club, and was member of the Oswestry football team which won the Shropshire Cup in season 1881-2 by defeating Shrewsbury Castle Blues in the final. That was the first occasion upon which Oswestry won the County trophy, and one of his contemporaries was Mr. R.T. Gough, who is President of the Football Association of
To read about the Six days 'go as you please' competition see the top right hand column on this page.
THE FUNERAL of Joe Groves
The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, the services at
The principal mourners were: Mr. and Mrs. J. Groves (son and daughter-in-law); Miss Groves (daughter); Mr. and Mrs. Morris, Shrewsbury (son-in-law and daughter); Mrs. Ceely, Hull, (daughter; Mr. and Mrs. Jones, Albert Road, son-in-law and daughter); Misses Agnes, Margaret and Harriet (sisters); Joe, Eric, May, Doris, Annie and Jessie (grandchildren); Mr. and Miss Daniels (brother-in-law and sister-in-law; Mr. Bob Groves nephew.
Also many other including members of the Philanthropic Lodge of Oddfellows, Oswestry Conservative Club, Police and Boys Club.
Details of wreaths to follow:
Mary Groves the daughter of Joseph and Mary never married and she is buried with her parents. She died on the 30th June 1966 aged 86 years at
I would like to thank Graham Lee of the Oswestry Burial Joint Committee for researching and supplying me with the dates and source of the above deaths together with the photographs. His research has helped fill in a lot of gaps and is very much appreciated.
Robert Groves was the fourth child of Joseph and Ann Groves (nee Thomas). He died on the 8th March 1883 aged 27 at the time of his death he was living at 7 Duke Street and he had been working as a barman. Robert's early death according to family stories is that in a drunken stupor one night he jumped on top of the roof of a train and fell off. I do not know if the train was moving and although the accident did not kill him he died shortly afterwards. What is interesting is that he died at home and there is no mention in the local papers of his death. His grave was purchased for 1st Interment and his mother and sisters Agnes and Margaret are in the same grave. Source Register No: 3/31/2691.
Agnes Groves, William's sister was in service in 1881 living at Victoria Parade, Oswestry Town working for the Whitfield family, Samuel Whitfield described as a Farmer of 34 acres. In 1901, Agnes worked for the Ewart Family of Alport House, Whitchurch as a Housemaid (Domestic). The lady of the house Mary Ewart described as 'living on her own means'. She also employed three other servants.
Agnes Groves never married and lived until she was 75 she died at 44 Gate Street on the 13th January 1936. Source: Register No: 9/4/11844.
Margaret Groves never married and lived until she was 77 she died at 44 Gate Street on the 18th November 1939. Source: Register No: 9/35/12455.
The photograph below is the bottom half of the family grave and is the only part that is still legible and shows Agnes and Margaret's names.
Page last updated 7th June 2009