WELCOME TO MY HARRIS FAMILY - my paternal side
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My Direct Line
Evan Harris c1787
David Harris c1828 - 31st December 1898
David Harris 8th February 1851 - 15th October 1931
Herbert Harris 4th February 1897 - 1981
Herbert David Harris 24th May 1925 - 24th January 2003
November 2008 and I have finally found more information on David's father my great grandfather x 2. His name was Evan Harris and born c1787 and therefore my great grandfather x 3. He appears on the 1841 census living at Pantycrai, Llanwyddelan, Treganol. The registration district is Newtown and Llanidloes, the sub district Tregynon and the Parish Llanwyddelan. In 1841 Evan was aged 54 and his occupation was a Farmer. He was living with his wife Jane (surname unknown at this stage). Jane born c1788 and aged 53. Evan and Jane had three children living at home with them Mary c1824, aged 17, David c1826, aged 15 and Evan c1831, aged 10. Source: 1841 Census Ref: H107. Piece 1440, Folio 17/20, Page 10.
As far as I can tell Evan Harris died at the age of 62 and was buried 17th September 1849 his address given as Brynyciliau, Bettws, Tregynon, Montgomeryshire. Source: MGS
The part of the family that I grew up hearing most about came from Carreghofa, often addressed on the census forms as Lwyntidman, sometimes as Llanymynech eventually on the latter census forms as settled in Pant, Nr. Oswestry
From census records I learned that David Harris was born in Meifod, Montgomeryshire born about 1828. He appears on the 1841 census with very little information other than he is living at home with his parents and does not appear to have an occupation. One of the difficulties I found researching David is that on virtually all the census forms his year of birth differs.
He married Sarah Humphreys on 5th September 1951 at the
Interestingly on David's Marriage Certificate Evan is described as a labourer whilst on the 1841 census he is described as a Farmer. The question I ask myself why did Evan's occupation change so dramatically? The information on the marriage certificate is sketchy because if I have Evan's correct date of death then he should also have been described as deceased on the marriage certificate of his son.
David's story starts properly with the 1861 census for
The 1871 census for
On the 1881 census David is aged 51, Sarah aged 55 and their son Richard aged 19. Both David and Richard were working as Labourers; however, the census does not indicate where they were working. By this time the number of Rockmen recorded in this census were down to 21. Also living with them was their grandson David Harris born about 1875 and aged 5 at this time. Source RG11/2655
1891 census lists David as a General Labourer living at Rock Hall, High Pant, Llanymynech, Pant, Shropshire. The registration district is Oswestry, the sub district Knockin and the parish Llanymynech. His wife Sarah is 66 and they have their grandson David Williams aged 14, occupation General Labourer, living with them. David Williams born Cefn Denbighshire, born c1877. Source RG12/2114, Folio 42, Page 4
David died at The High Pant on 31st December 1898 aged 72. I do not have his burial details at this time. GRO ref: Vol 6a, page 425.
I believe that there is a family Bible in existence but I have never seen it apparently one of the main features of the bible is that all the family were able to write their own signatures. As we have already seen, the children all went to school.
DAVID HARRIS, VRONGOCH, CARREGHOFA
David was born 8th February 1852 his place of birth given as Welshtown in the sub district of Welchpool. Note here how Welshpool was spelt in 1852. Also of interest is the fact that Welshpool used to be called 'Pool' and was changed to Welshpool because of Poole in Dorset. On the birth certificate, his father's name David Harris and his mother's name Sarah Harris (nee Humphreys) where shown. Father's occupation listed as Labourer. Sarah registered her son's birth on the 2nd March 1852 by her mark. David was baptised on the 6th June 1852 at Welshpool (no details of chapel/church) his father David was described at a Labourer of Welsh Town. So the birth certificate and baptism records show the same information.
Records found from 1861 - 1901. David was aged nine in 1861 and lived at home with his parents and two Sisters Mary and Catherine. Details already supplied above.
At the age of 19 in 1871, David was still living at home with his parents. Both he and his father worked as Rockmen and he had a younger brother Richard and younger sister Elizabeth. Details already supplied above. Source: RG10/2778 page 16
David married Mary Thomas on the 1st February 1876 he was aged 23 and a bachelor and this was seven days before his 24th birthday. His occupation listed as a Labourer and his residence shown as Treflach. Mary Thomas was aged 22 an unmarried woman and her occupation Servant. Mary lived at Treflach at the time of her marriage. Her father William Thomas was also a Labourer.
Information from the 1881 census shows David living with his wife Mary at Vrongoch. David was aged 29 and wife Mary aged 26. At this time, they had two children Mary J Harris born about 1874 aged 7. As you can see Mary was born two years before her mum and dad married. Their second daughter Sarah E Harris born about 1878 and on the 1881 census aged 3. David's occupation then a Rockman and he and his family were English speaking. Also living with them was Jane Thomas born about 1809 aged 72, his mother-in-law occupation Farmer Labourer, Treflach. Source: Rg11/5497 page 12
On the 1891 census form, David aged 39 and wife Mary aged 36 had four children living with them. Emily born c1882 aged 9, Richard born c1883 aged 8, Annie born about 1887 aged 4 and Agnes aged 5 months. Mary and Sarah it would appear had left home and at this point I have no further information. Source: RG12/4600 pages11/12
The 1901 census shows David and Mary living at Penyfoel and David's occupation listed as Lime Kiln Operator. The children living with them at the time were William c1889 aged 12, Eliza c1893 aged 8, George c 1895 aged 6, and Herbert born 4th February 1897 at Penyfoel. His mother registered Herbert's birth on 9th March 1897. Herbert was my grandfather and known to the family as Bert. Source: RG13/5204
This photograph of David and Mary Harris with my grandfather Bert
Mary died 17th November 1915 aged 61. She is buried at the Parish Church of St Agatha, Llanymynech and has a Granite headstone which reads 'In loving memory of Mary HARRIS, Penyvoel.' David died 15th October 1931 aged 79 and is buried with his wife, his Inscription reads 'At Rest.'
Obituary of David Harris printed in the Oswestry Advertizer 21st October 1931
The Late Mr. David Harris of Penyvoel
A large assembly of neighbours and acquaintances gather together at Penyvoel, Llanymynech, on Monday, to pay their last tribute respect to the late Mr. David Harris, who passed away on Thursday. His wife predeceased him fifteen years ago. Deceased was a native of Pant, and after his marriage resided in Penyvoel for several years. He was quarryman, and had worked at Llanymynech, Porthywaen, and Llanddu quarries all his life, and his honest, straightforward, and kindly manner made him popular in the village and with his fellow employees. Except for attacks of rheumatism he was and active man, for his years, and attended the anniversary of the Llanymynech Oddfellows, of which he was a member, in July last. His declining years were spent in comfort with his daughter Mrs. Bromley.
The funeral took place at Llanymynech Parish Church, but before leaving the house, the Rev. O.S. Symond, pastor of the Presbyterian Church conducted a short service. At the church, the rector, the Rev. J.P. Poole Hughes officiated, and the Rev. O.S. Symond read the lesson.
The mourners were: Messrs William Harris, George Harris, Herbert Harris (sons): Mrs. Emily Williams, Mrs. Eliza Bromley (daughters): Mr. John Williams, Mr. Richard Williams, Mr. John Bromley. Mr. Edward Pryce (sons-in-law): Mrs. William Harris, Mrs. George Harris, Mrs. A. Williams (daughters-in-law): Gladys Pryce, Ada Pryce, Florrie Harris (grand-daughter):
The obituary then went on to list a contingent of Oddfellows and members of the general public too many to mention and also included the names of the bearers. The obituary finished with the following paragraph.
The grave was covered and surrounded with beautiful floral tributes.
Herbert Harris born 4th February 1897 and he worked on the Railways. He married Margaret Ann Hamer (Maggie) on 25th August 1924. Their marriage certificate shows that Bert was 27 years old and a bachelor his profession given as Railway Guard. At the time of his marriage he lived at 75 Green End, Whitchurch, father shown as David Harris, Limestone Quarryman. Maggie was 24 years old a spinster with no profession shown. Her address was given as Arundel Road Oswestry, her father William Hamer's profession was Cattle Drover.
The photograph of my Nan Harris
Hamer and Harris family
Back row from left to right Bert Harris and David Hamer
Front row from left to right my Mum, my Gran Harris, Auntie Gladys and Auntie Connie, me and my sister.
HERBERT DAVID HARRIS
My dad was born at Whitchurch in Shropshire and known to his family as David or the Welsh side of the family as Dai.
When my dad died his war records came as something of a surprise for me and my mum. My dad had always given us the impression that his Navy days were great fun and that he was rather naughty. However, from 1943 - 1946 his character was assessed as very good on his Certificate of Service. His mother was listed as his next of kin and the address given at that time was 43 Victoria Street, Oswestry. He entered the navy on the 11th October 1943 an entered under NS (AF) Act 1939 and served on the following ships. Glendower 11/10/1943 - 20/12/1943
Drake 21/12/1943 - 11/02/1944
Cabbala 12/02/1944 - 26/08/1944
Drake 27/08/1944 - 25/09/1944
St Angllo (Fly) 26/09/1944 - 05/03/1946
Drake 06/03/1946 - 30/04/1946
On the 30th April 1946 he was given indefinite release as Station Porter in class 'B' in accord with A.F.O. 1355/46. Source: S. 459. Certificate of Service
See also right hand column with extract on 12th Minesweeping Flotilla and how it was 50 years before my dad's service to his country was recognised.
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See bottom right hand column for details of David and Mary's children.
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